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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and faroush prepare

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to head of paradigms shifted in the

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truths questioned and now shattered

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reality hello and welcome this is Kate

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Valentine welcoming you to the program

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and I'm furusho welcome to shattered

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reality and we certainly hope you help

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us to shatter some paradigms today well

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if anyone will do it it will be our

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guest today mr. Mack Maloney Mack is a

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wonderful author of UFO books one of

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them is beyond area 51 and the other is

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UFOs in wartime which is one of my

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all-time favorite UFO books loved it

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he has also written a series of I guess

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you would say fiction books under the

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wing man series and so with all that

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welcome to the show Mack thank you for

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being with us this hour well thanks for

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having me always a pleasure

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well I on both of your books I think the

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overwhelming impact that we get from it

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is that UFOs indeed do exist you sort of

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demonstrate that beyond any reasonable

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doubt and what you do not do in which I

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like is draw any conclusions as to what

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they are and until we gather more

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consistent data unfortunately that will

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remain the case I think oh yeah I agree

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with you it's um you know there's

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certainly a lot of theories as to what

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UFOs are out there but I think we can

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all agree that no one really knows what

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they yeah we've never really seen any

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proof that anyone knows we've heard a

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lot of conjecture and theories and I'm

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just kind of out our fabrications in a

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lot of cases but I think that

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outstanding proof is yet to be found I

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think that sometime in our future is

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this open sadhana

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well yeah me too I'll tell you the older

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I get closer I hope the answers come but

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one of the things one of the points that

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another guest made is that we're keeping

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the UFO secret the UFOs are certainly

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not keeping themselves secret I mean

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they're all over the place

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and all through time really I mean you

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know obviously I'm sure a lot of our

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listeners know the biblical accounts are

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the medieval accounts the wartime which

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you've so well documented accounts and

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so they're right in your face it's just

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that we just don't they just don't give

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us enough information as to know what

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they are I think faroush a-- had some

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ideas um you know Mac I appreciate

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you're open-minded point that you are

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not going to come down definitively as

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to what UFOs are but I know that you

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have shall we say a pet theory or your

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personal opinion which may involve time

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travelers is that the case well yeah yes

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it is to tell you the truth and I'm not

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the first one to come up with it but in

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just in researching the books especially

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UFOs in wartime it just seems like as

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we're saying just a minute ago that you

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opposed don't make any pretense of not

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being there people think UFOs kind of

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hide but they don't they they're always

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kind of there and they just seem to be

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you know watching us and in in it's

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proof that it has been true that they

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show up with historic events especially

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during World War two with the Foo

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Fighters and if you just keep reading

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that over and over you just pops into

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your head that hey maybe they're just

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time cars maybe they took their time

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machines from our own future coming back

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and watching history being made well

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that sounds like a very viable theory

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just going forward with that a little

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bit do you think that it's possible a

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that UFOs may be more than one thing

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which is to say that you know let's say

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80% of the

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UFOs that are actual real accounts as

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opposed to hoaxes or misinterpretations

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maybe 80% of those are time travelers do

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you hold out any thought that maybe the

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other 10 or 20% might be let us say

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extraterrestrial visitors or ultra

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terrestrials that is another race that

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may not be in our exactly in our view

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but that cohabits the earth with us

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perhaps in a different in a different

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dimensional plane or perhaps somehow

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hidden well you know anything is

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possible I mean just take for example

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the thing that we can closely associated

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to is what people go on safaris in

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Africa for instance and you know you

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ride around in the truck and people take

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pictures of the Lions and the elephants

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and so on those animals have no idea

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what the tourists are up to exactly

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with their you know daily life and and

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there's just this thing kind of there

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that you know they can't understand so

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they they almost don't pay attention to

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it that's how it is here would you

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oppose you know we see them we hear

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about them all the times but says

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they're always there and they don't do

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anything except kind of appear you know

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they're not as to some people they just

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don't exist that they're just not

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exciting enough to kind of you know talk

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about our get interested in but you know

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there's look how many tourist companies

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there are that bring people all over the

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world so why wouldn't we think that you

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know especially since people see certain

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kinds of UFOs through the years through

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the hundreds of years people seeing

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flying saucers but they also see cigar

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shaped objects and they also see kind of

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balls of light so there are different

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kinds of repose so who's to say that all

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fit a different kind UFO comes from a

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different place

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well that's I'm glad that you are open

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to that idea and I think sometimes of

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the cargo cults famously of the South

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Pacific where people that were on

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isolated islands associated the actual

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war planes with cargo

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coming from God's you know that they

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might get chocolates from the John from

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America and then raised John from

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America to a God right and and you know

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and stretch it out you know a lot

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what would happen if it will especially

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the ancient astronaut theory people who

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are into that theory really love what

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happened with the Congo codes because

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you can almost see it happening you know

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where there's people in the ground there

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they're very much people of the earth

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they're not you know technologically

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advanced something comes down that just

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kind of blows their minds they're going

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to think that it's you know some kind of

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a higher power and so on and so forth

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that's what happened in the Pacific when

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we were fighting World War two and

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planes landed on these isolated islands

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could very well happen five thousand

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years ago when a flying saucer came down

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in them you know ancient Egypt is

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something like that

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one thing that was sure is that we're

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sure of is that you oppose have up here

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to humans throughout human history

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throughout children's history it just

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want a few things that has been with us

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from the very beginning and is still

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around today so I think that just adds

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to the mystery yeah and I also have

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always felt that this planet is almost

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like the paradise of Eden that was

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described in the Bible I mean as many PI

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exoplanets as they've discovered they

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all seem to have some glitch in it and

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as far as planets being friendly and

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stable enough to develop intelligent or

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technologically competent life I don't

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think they're very common I mean as far

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as we know it took four billion years

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for a technological society to exist on

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this planet so I think they're fairly

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rare and I think they would indeed draw

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interest I mean after all we are the

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UFOs of Mars right now if Martians exist

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they take us as UFOs as extraterrestrial

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visitors so I I don't think it would be

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a huge leap of imagination to imagine

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archaeologists from Alpha Centauri being

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but I mean it's fun but we sometimes

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forget to think about too is the drama

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of UFOs and I love this article about

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the Battle of Los Angeles and if I make

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quote from your book in the early

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morning hours of February 25th 1942 the

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city of Los Angeles was attacked by UFOs

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now that's a blunt factual statement mr.

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Maloney and it's backed up it says it

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might sound like the opening of a

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science fiction book or the first line

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from a movie script but it actually

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happened in front of 1 million witnesses

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and that's actually true and they have a

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wonderful photograph of the UFO being

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caught in searchlights at missiles

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blowing up all around it and let's just

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say for let's just take all speculation

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aside and say yes this really happened

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and this is what it was right away the

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government hops in and said no don't

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move along nothing to see here

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and as I asked you before what are your

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thoughts as far as the government

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keeping this so you know the giggle

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factor and all that and anybody that

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brings it up is thought to be a little

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bit loose so what are your thoughts why

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would our our government and it seems

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all governments why do they cover this

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up so very carefully

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well it's speaking strictly look for the

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American you know government in the

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military it is just there this is the

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way that they started out in the early

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days actual and they said it out in the

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first six months or so of 1947 after

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Kenneth Donaldson citing actually the

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last six months was 1947 the yyyp was

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really looked into it they spent a lot

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of mine they had engineers and

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scientists bookends with their

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conclusion after that first six months

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was that UFOs are not of this earth we

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didn't make them the Russians didn't

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make them they could find no evidence of

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anyone around the world who could make

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you know these flying machines that

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people were seeing that do all these

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fantastic things so they actually

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brought that report to the Pentagon -

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the Pentagon you know

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their way said that well this isn't the

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conclusion we wanted so they went back

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and did another report and they

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whitewashed the whole thing and in that

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report they said that what they found

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they completely turned around their

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findings they said what they found was

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that they want to show you befo was

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someone who was hallucinating or there

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were a religious fanatic or they were

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someone who was causing a hoax and and

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that has been kind of like the the

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foundation of of them both the US

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military's response ever since that

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moment you got to be crazy it's got to

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be a trick or you're some kind of a

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fanatic and you see with what didn't

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what real quick is what we're they ran

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into problems is in Korea the Korean

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either hoaxes or fanatics or you know

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they have something some mental

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instability so that's when the you know

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the US military just stopped commenting

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on UFOs completely to that point Mack it

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seems to me having gone to a few UFO

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conventions and having been a member of

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MUFON that a lot of the people who

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express interest in UFOs in terms of

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organizations at any rate our former

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military men and Air Force people and I

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don't suppose that they all could be

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disinformation agents no yeah that would

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be almost impossible with it I mean yes

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that's another thing too is that people

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are saying that and this goes kind of to

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the other side is that you know we think

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of you know you're typically a person

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who has UFO sighting as someone it's

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usually in a rural to rural area they're

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usually alone or only not a couple

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people with them there's you just you

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know no one else around for miles and

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miles

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this seems to be the place where you

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oppose choose to show themselves to us

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but but maybe some people forget is that

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airline pilots and military pilots see

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them all the time they see them all the

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time and now they see UFOs all the time

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but a lot of them are explained but you

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see these people because they see them

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they

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she's so much in the sky day in and day

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out they know that's Venus they know

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that's the moon they know that's a

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mountaintop with snow on it

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they know that's a reflection awesome

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you know oil fields in the desert and

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then they know when this thing looks

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like nothing else there's no machine so

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a military pilots and our airline pilots

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see these things all the time that is

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there's no doubt about it the problem is

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is that in the military if you start

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time with UFOs you're probably not going

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to have very much flight time given to

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you afterwards and it's going to affect

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your advancement up there up the ranks

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it's just proven if you talk about UFOs

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you're not going to get promoted as

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quickly as if you didn't talk about it

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and in the in lines it's the same thing

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- they don't want pilots up there saying

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they seen UFOs because it seems unsafe

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that they'd be flying up in line for the

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passages that's true we're talking to

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mr. Mack Maloney he is the author of

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UFOs in wartime and beyond area 51 and

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and yeah I have to agree with you it's

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still giggle factor is enough it's a

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career killer if you were in science and

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you said you know I'm a physicist these

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objects exist they're showing flight

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criteria that do not exist today let's

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find out how to do it you have good luck

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getting a grant on that one and write it

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it would be so feasible I mean obviously

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they exist they are objects I mean there

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is a lot of you know speculation about

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them being interdimensional and

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spiritual and all that but some of them

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at least are absolutely objects I mean

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certainly the Phoenix lights that thing

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that flew over Sky Harbor was an object

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and it should be investigated or

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researched what what do you think of the

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some of the recent you know more or less

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21st century a well-known UFO sightings

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such as a Chicago O'Hare or Phoenix

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lights which was the end of I guess the

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20th century huh and Stephenville those

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those more prominent US cases what how

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do you come down on those men well

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something obviously happened at in both

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places something obviously

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happened in here yep Lloyd in Chicago

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because once again it was just an

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unusual case because it happened during

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the day for one thing yeah and plus you

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had a lot of people who worked at the

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airport sorry you know so once again you

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have people who are familiar with

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airplane certainly where the airplanes

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look like sound like what they look like

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20 miles up 10 miles out when they're

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landing in fog at night you know they

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know what these things look like and

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when they see something that doesn't

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look like something they've ever seen

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before then that is really you know

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that's that that's really quite an

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amazing sighting and that's what

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happened in Chicago obviously and and

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then in Phoenix same thing it's very

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interesting in Phoenix that you mean you

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will see film of lights kind of

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disappearing behind the mountain some

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gentleman had his video camera and they

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kind of you see the lights kind of

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blinking out and and there has been a

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explanation for that because they had

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you hand the video and you see that

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they're actually airplanes dropping

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flares and and what they're blinking out

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is that they're going down behind this

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mountain okay that's fine a lot of

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people see that they say well that's

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that was the reason for the that's the

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explanation for the Phoenix place but

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what they don't realize is that this

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enormous triangle-shaped object look

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over the heads of dozens if not hundreds

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of people during a 100-mile flight going

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you know in the Phoenix area people saw

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they weren't seeing lights they were

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seeing something the size of an aircraft

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carrier fly over them that's an object

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it was picked up on radar

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hundreds of people sirens the military

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is aware of it I mean that's one of the

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best sightings ever as well and because

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a lot of people have looked into it and

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there's a lot of literature about it

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that I think that proves that it's one

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the best sightings and you know this is

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the point that I always get stuck on two

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air traffic controllers are

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extraordinarily responsible people they

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have to be and there is some

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governmental force that quiets these

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people down that forces them to lie and

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I don't think it's the the government

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that we come to know because I think

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there's too much of a risk of their

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being found out as far as sort of

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rushing up air traffic controllers I

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think this is a totally extra

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governmental force that will come in

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because they pop up within hours I mean

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we're not talking all week later you

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know I mean our government moves its

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snail pace and these people whoever they

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are they're like whoa I heard about this

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sighting two minutes later they're

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they're up in the tower with the air

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traffic controllers so there is some

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really highly regimented force out there

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beside the giggle factor to keep these

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things quiet and I always wonder why I

431
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mean what is it that they're hiding yeah

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yeah that's the question is but you know

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it's funny because I cannot look at that

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question from a different angle when we

435
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say what are they hiding I think what it

436
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is is I think they are trying to find

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out stuff I have the impression that the

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US military they know more about UFOs

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than than they're letting on but I am

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not convinced at all that they know what

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UFOs I think that they are just a bigger

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mystery to people in our government as

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they ought to you to us right now

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and because once again there is really

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no concrete evidence that that we had

446
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flying saucers that we have technology

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you know reverse engineers from from

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flying saucers and so on and so forth

449
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plus you here for instance I've talked

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on a number of radio shows and talked to

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people who have been interviewed and a

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lot of times they'll be interference on

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the line when UFO author is talking to a

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radio station like right now okay it's

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happened to me a number of times and

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it's happened to a lot of people have

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talked to and everyone always seems to

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think well you know they're there they

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want to know you know they're there

460
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they're listening in they're

461
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eavesdropping because they're the

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government they want to stop us how

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about maybe they'll listen to me because

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they are trying to get information from

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us if you know what I mean maybe they

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think we know more than they do or they

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are just trying to pick up every kernel

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of information they can and if it comes

469
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from someone to plan a UFO book who did

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research there maybe someone in the

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government hasn't done or hasn't heard

472
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about then you're going to start you

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know eavesdropping on them I just am of

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the opinion that US military does not

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know as much as we think they know about

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them and I think that they

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puts them in the HUD seat because we

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spent so much money on defense in this

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country they cannot admit they don't

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know what things are flying around up

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there making a short detour into the

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world of ufology it you know they the

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people the UFO ufology people we would

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have to say then you come down more on

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the Colonel John B Alexander side then

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the Richard Dolan side well I know both

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of them and I I'm not on any one side I

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don't mean that you're taking sides I

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just know a poem I wrote like a little

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bit out in left field from both of those

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guys I've talked to both of them and I

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know that they kind of represent two

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points of view but you know I think that

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for both of them they're they raise

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points a lot of times that you know how

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worthy of a good solid debate I don't

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believe in the secret space program that

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I know Richard is very passionate about

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it just doesn't add up if it just isn't

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enough evidence out there or if you're

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really kind of look into it you would

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have to have this massive secret

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spaceport that the United States

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military has had for dozens of years

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with logistics that would involve tens

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of thousands of people and none of these

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people have ever talked Nevin has ever

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gone to the Enquirer on 60 minutes

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these days we can't even trust sift a

510
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SEAL team members from keeping quiet mr.

511
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wrote a book about shooting bin Laden

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what makes anyone think that the

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thousands and thousands of people that

514
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would have to work for secret space

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program is exist how do you keep all

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those people quiet it would be

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impossible where do you come down on the

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deathbed type confessions of some of

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these former military people some of

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which were who were at Roswell other of

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whom are just random military guys want

522
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deathbed type confessions right well you

523
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know once again it's and there's a

524
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little bit of an emotional fact that

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when a story comes out that is a

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deathbed confession but you know just to

527
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look at it you know with a blank slate

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let's say you know did the person really

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say what he said

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I mean I hate to say it but when

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someone's dying you don't have a video

532
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camera running but you know there's no

533
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evidence like that you know it's always

534
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hearsay it's always hearsay definite

535
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confessions because we don't have very

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really other it is there electronic

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equipment there to record it so yeah you

538
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have to kind of think that just like as

539
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any other claim and it has to hold up

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the scrutiny if it isn't if it doesn't

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then you know you have to dispel it well

542
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:43,289
coming into secrecy we're going to get

543
00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:45,240
right into your book mr. Mack Maloney

544
00:22:52,129 --> 00:22:49,950
Beyond area 51 where you talk about all

545
00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:52,139
these secret military bases that have

546
00:22:57,549 --> 00:22:55,769
gone on from again biblical times he

547
00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:57,559
talked about Megiddo which is

548
00:23:03,620 --> 00:23:01,500
fascinating and and so on but now

549
00:23:06,139 --> 00:23:03,630
Stanton Friedman always said that - he

550
00:23:08,210 --> 00:23:06,149
said look how many tens of thousands of

551
00:23:11,299 --> 00:23:08,220
people worked on the atomic bomb and

552
00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:11,309
that was kept secret but again as he

553
00:23:16,009 --> 00:23:14,070
mentioned as well that was a different

554
00:23:18,409 --> 00:23:16,019
time in history and people were much

555
00:23:20,389 --> 00:23:18,419
more patriotic that's a weapon kept

556
00:23:22,430 --> 00:23:20,399
secret there was four or five Soviet

557
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:22,440
agents now that weren't leaking back

558
00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:23,850
information to restaurant all the time

559
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:25,289
so I was actually a poorly kept secret

560
00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:28,169
yeah but it never made it out to the

561
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:29,190
general public

562
00:23:33,139 --> 00:23:31,289
oh that's true of the Rosenbergs later

563
00:23:35,389 --> 00:23:33,149
but it was a different time there's no

564
00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:35,399
National Enquirer there was no 24-hour

565
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,500
news cycle and so on correct

566
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,360
yeah it was a whole different time in

567
00:23:44,389 --> 00:23:41,760
history no you know talking about

568
00:23:46,009 --> 00:23:44,399
interference mr. Mack baloney how about

569
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:46,019
that we're just sitting here the three

570
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:49,110
of us everything's been going on is the

571
00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:50,970
way it has been going on and then boom

572
00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:53,460
it goes dead nobody no one touched

573
00:23:59,389 --> 00:23:56,460
anything we're all listening Wow well it

574
00:24:01,340 --> 00:23:59,399
happened you know it has happened many

575
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,350
times it is it is you know we talk about

576
00:24:05,539 --> 00:24:03,840
fear you sure was the first one I was

577
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:05,549
ever interviewed on it's probably three

578
00:24:09,250 --> 00:24:08,250
years ago now ah yeah yeah and I've been

579
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:09,260
interviewed

580
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:11,610
dozens of times and and I had to say

581
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,090
that that has happened you know a good

582
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,760
15 16 times to me over the past two

583
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:20,159
years where you're just talking along

584
00:24:23,899 --> 00:24:21,600
and something happens the equipment

585
00:24:27,549 --> 00:24:23,909
doesn't happen when the radio stations

586
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:27,559
talking to a florist or a sports person

587
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:30,419
something about them doesn't happen you

588
00:24:32,780 --> 00:24:30,780
know

589
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:32,790
stuff I don't believe happens but I will

590
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:34,380
admit that that has happened to me a

591
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:36,600
number of times so many times it has to

592
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:38,310
be more than a coincidence okay well

593
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:40,170
here's a real scary experiment and I'm

594
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:41,850
going to put it out and this is just

595
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:45,210
involving myself Kate Valentine but if

596
00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:47,910
you're listening I just want you to know

597
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:51,480
I know what they are and I'm going to

598
00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:53,610
publish now let's see what they do about

599
00:25:01,400 --> 00:24:58,110
that one the most egregious example that

600
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:01,410
I have ever encountered yeah is when

601
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,710
anyone tries to interview Richard Sauter

602
00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:06,720
or sorter I don't know how he pronounces

603
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:09,420
his name you don't even get him anymore

604
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:12,570
no he is appeared just and he's tried to

605
00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:14,850
come on a few programs and the

606
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:19,230
interference the the changing of the

607
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:21,650
timbre of the voice and the whole thing

608
00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:25,410
you know wah wah wah out is unbelievable

609
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:27,750
unbelievable he can never be gotten to

610
00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:31,650
for it very long right and then another

611
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:33,630
thing that happened to fruition and a

612
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,340
good friend of ours who unfortunately is

613
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:37,860
passed on but we were doing a whole show

614
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,910
with the engineer Dave who is phenomenal

615
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:44,400
bill was there and it was being recorded

616
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:46,290
I think on three different things right

617
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:49,350
though and at the end of the show you

618
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:50,970
know I was going to give them both a

619
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,890
copy of the recording and had completely

620
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:55,440
disappeared and we were not talking

621
00:26:03,350 --> 00:25:56,970
about anything in particular

622
00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:03,360
but nothing and not like the secret I

623
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:09,540
have I will indeed I know and when a

624
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:11,490
bright blue light comes in the bedroom

625
00:26:16,930 --> 00:26:13,710
window tonight you're gonna see just how

626
00:26:22,420 --> 00:26:19,430
I'll just leave the dog behind

627
00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:22,430
I understand they don't like dogs but

628
00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:29,160
her name is Kate so anyway Mac sorry for

629
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:35,070
that little diversion so you know you

630
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:37,530
have chronic old and other people have

631
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:42,210
chronicled how certain air bases have

632
00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:44,250
been shut down the this

633
00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:48,120
silo's with the nuclear missiles in you

634
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:50,670
know minute and a couple of the other

635
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:52,620
maelstrom and minute i believe in there

636
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:55,020
are probably others where the silos have

637
00:27:04,250 --> 00:26:58,970
been shut down by a UFO overhead and

638
00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:04,260
certainly i really do believe that that

639
00:27:09,620 --> 00:27:06,420
these things occurred and that no one

640
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:09,630
knows who it was that did it and if we

641
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:13,650
follow that through what happened then

642
00:27:24,260 --> 00:27:17,370
with the japanese problem that we have

643
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:24,270
now the fukushima after the the reactor

644
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:27,330
the reactor they are the three to five

645
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,810
reactors there that have burned you know

646
00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:33,360
burned off and have created an

647
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:36,150
incredible environmental mess here with

648
00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:39,150
the UFOs then yeah well they're not

649
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:40,920
looking out for us I think that's it

650
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:42,630
they're just here to see you know how

651
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:45,570
badly we can mess things up I think

652
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:47,340
they're having I think they have like a

653
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:49,770
sort of a twisted sense of humor you

654
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:53,760
know maybe they're like well you know I

655
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:56,220
mean it could be just that it could be

656
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:57,690
just some kind of sensing here I'm going

657
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,840
back this idea of time to room yeah you

658
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:02,880
know if there was some time in twenty

659
00:28:07,670 --> 00:28:05,040
years hundred years from now where we

660
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:07,680
could go back in the future and see some

661
00:28:10,670 --> 00:28:08,820
kind of something that we've always

662
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:10,680
wanted to see I mean who wouldn't do

663
00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:13,380
that oh you know some people would they

664
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,540
would want to go see World War two

665
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,760
rethought you know for instance a lot of

666
00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:19,440
UFOs there you know someone said to me I

667
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:20,790
would love to go see your shakespeare

668
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:23,220
play real Shakespeare play I would like

669
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:24,690
to go see the Battle of Troy I would

670
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:26,490
like to go see you know all these

671
00:28:30,170 --> 00:28:28,170
different kind of historical events and

672
00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:30,180
and when you kind of you know kind of

673
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:32,070
backfill that idea you say well let's

674
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,810
see you know there's always been UFOs

675
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:35,580
showing up at the struggle event and at

676
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,710
other events you know maybe I don't know

677
00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:39,960
the whole time traveling thing kind of

678
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,150
just fills in a lot of holes for me and

679
00:28:45,770 --> 00:28:43,440
maybe you know people want to go back

680
00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:45,780
and look at you know what happened at

681
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:47,790
Fukushima you know what happened with

682
00:28:51,050 --> 00:28:49,530
the earthquake with the tidal wave and

683
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:51,060
you know the disaster that they have now

684
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:52,770
it's a big a disaster it's currently

685
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:56,310
than Chernobyl and you know they once

686
00:29:00,030 --> 00:28:57,250
again getting back

687
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,040
back to the the bottom line of UFOs date

688
00:29:04,550 --> 00:29:01,840
they look like they're observing they

689
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:04,560
look like they're looking in on us yes

690
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:08,410
and that no time travel just it feels a

691
00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:10,090
lot of holes for me for some reason well

692
00:29:14,910 --> 00:29:12,760
you know one thing that you've brought

693
00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:14,920
up I think that a lot of people who are

694
00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:16,660
interested in you or follow you follow

695
00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:21,190
gee are aware of of the the things going

696
00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:23,740
on with World War two not to the extent

697
00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:25,960
that you chronicled them but but are

698
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:28,540
very much less familiar with the ghost

699
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:30,460
rockets of World War one which you

700
00:29:34,650 --> 00:29:32,530
Chronicle so maybe you'd like to tell us

701
00:29:36,660 --> 00:29:34,660
a little bit about that because you know

702
00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:36,670
previous to looking at-at your

703
00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:39,820
literature here I was somewhat unaware

704
00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:44,190
of that phenomena well there was some

705
00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:47,860
there was the ghost fliers of 1932 and

706
00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:51,700
then the ghost rockets of 1946 and then

707
00:29:59,820 --> 00:29:57,340
in 1908 the huge huge blimp like objects

708
00:30:01,860 --> 00:29:59,830
airships were they called obscure ships

709
00:30:04,290 --> 00:30:01,870
were spotted over England now the

710
00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:04,300
interesting thing was that as far as

711
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:06,340
descriptions are concerned there were no

712
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,530
huge Zeppelin's in 1908 they'd been

713
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:10,000
making from Germany to England yet

714
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:13,110
people saw these things in ghost fliers

715
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:16,390
of 1932 people up in the very northern

716
00:30:21,780 --> 00:30:19,510
part of Sweden saw these very strange

717
00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:21,790
airplanes that no one has ever been able

718
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,140
to figure out what they were they had

719
00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:25,600
eight engines they were flying over snow

720
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,400
and tundra yet they had pontoons that

721
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:29,200
you would need to land on water there

722
00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:30,640
wasn't any water around for hundreds of

723
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:31,150
miles

724
00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:34,630
and then in 1946 over Sweden once again

725
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:36,550
each ghost rocket that appeared at first

726
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:40,240
to be like maybe v1 buzz bombs from

727
00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:44,140
world war ii german you know surplus but

728
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:47,920
then a pilot swedish pilot actually rode

729
00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:49,630
alongside one of these things in the way

730
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:52,600
his description reads is the exact

731
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:55,030
description of a cruise missile from

732
00:31:00,150 --> 00:30:58,450
1985 or so so you take these three

733
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:00,160
incidents it's almost like an offshoot

734
00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:01,750
of your clothes because they weren't the

735
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,700
classic UFO saucer shaped dress the guy

736
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,940
shaped objects it's just these strange

737
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:08,320
pieces of technology that look like

738
00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:10,980
they're a little bit out of time

739
00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:14,500
19:08 has again you couldn't fly a

740
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:16,750
Zeppelin from Germany to England they

741
00:31:22,049 --> 00:31:18,490
weren't advanced another four or five

742
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:22,059
years later you could in 1932 there was

743
00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:23,679
no such thing as that eight engined

744
00:31:30,450 --> 00:31:26,500
plane for five years later the Russians

745
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:30,460
built one you know in 1946 people are

746
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:32,710
seeing what a monta cruise missiles that

747
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:35,010
weren't invented for another forty years

748
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:37,570
something about those three incidents

749
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:39,370
almost looks like there was some kind of

750
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:41,289
technology that was caught out of time

751
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:44,409
or something right right and no one has

752
00:31:47,399 --> 00:31:45,970
ever explained no one has ever come

753
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,409
forward on any of those patients say you

754
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,880
know I was involved in that and so on

755
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:50,799
they're complete blanking mysteries when

756
00:31:55,529 --> 00:31:52,510
the best industries and all of this kind

757
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,539
of big UFO puzzle like like a sort of a

758
00:32:00,269 --> 00:31:57,039
time slip

759
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:00,279
that's something yeah yep hmm yes very

760
00:32:06,539 --> 00:32:02,260
strange those three incidents well they

761
00:32:09,419 --> 00:32:06,549
had that in Texas too didn't they Texas

762
00:32:12,029 --> 00:32:09,429
in the Midwest I believe in the late

763
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:12,039
1890s and there were lots of people who

764
00:32:17,549 --> 00:32:14,950
purportedly saw them and the odd thing

765
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:17,559
about that is if I recall correctly is

766
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:20,140
that that the people within the ship

767
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,690
would throw down an anchor and this also

768
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:25,120
happened in the Middle Ages in England

769
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:28,690
where an airship would be seen and the

770
00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:30,970
the occupants would throw down almost

771
00:32:36,029 --> 00:32:33,309
like a nautical anchor which was sort of

772
00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:36,039
really bizarre but it was reported more

773
00:32:40,889 --> 00:32:39,070
than once is that not the case yeah it's

774
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:40,899
but that you know we all have our pet

775
00:32:45,389 --> 00:32:43,090
theories and mine is that I I do think

776
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:45,399
there's another intelligent species on

777
00:32:51,419 --> 00:32:48,640
this planet that is not as numerous as

778
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:51,429
we are and given our proclivities they

779
00:32:57,299 --> 00:32:55,270
realize if they exceed probably try to

780
00:32:59,880 --> 00:32:57,309
exterminate them almost immediately go

781
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,890
the way the passenger pray there there

782
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:01,840
you go or the Neanderthals for that

783
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:11,200
matter you know so I really think there

784
00:33:16,590 --> 00:33:13,230
is something else here just another

785
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:16,600
civilization somewhere that tends to be

786
00:33:22,770 --> 00:33:19,690
just not as populous as ours but is

787
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,780
pretty scientifically oriented and

788
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:24,480
pretty technologic

789
00:33:29,970 --> 00:33:27,940
do you think I like that theory do you

790
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:29,980
think that they all know about each

791
00:33:34,139 --> 00:33:31,630
other or are they people who are just

792
00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:34,149
individuals or whatnot I don't know I

793
00:33:39,149 --> 00:33:36,220
seem to be you mean like highly

794
00:33:42,029 --> 00:33:39,159
individual individuals I stupid but you

795
00:33:44,009 --> 00:33:42,039
know I don't know no I was thinking of

796
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:44,019
like a small civilization a small

797
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:46,890
city-state almost ancient Greece but

798
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:49,360
that would be interesting to just a

799
00:33:56,899 --> 00:33:53,679
pocket here in a pocket there I would

800
00:34:00,090 --> 00:33:56,909
fall more on the side of something being

801
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:00,100
in a different vibrational pattern than

802
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,049
we are so they could be right here

803
00:34:07,289 --> 00:34:04,960
amongst us but like vibrating at a

804
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,299
faster level to the extent that we

805
00:34:11,970 --> 00:34:09,520
couldn't see them just as we generally

806
00:34:15,419 --> 00:34:11,980
don't see you know infrared and

807
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:15,429
ultraviolet but maybe our cat scan right

808
00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:17,710
right I mean there's an incident that we

809
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:21,190
just spoke to Paulina who is a UFO

810
00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:23,080
investigator and also has his own radio

811
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,000
show he was telling me about this

812
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,560
incident in the middle of Connecticut a

813
00:34:31,710 --> 00:34:29,440
few years ago and it had it was like the

814
00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:31,720
perfect storm of the paranormal it

815
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:33,460
started off with a haunted house a house

816
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:34,810
that had been haunted for many many

817
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,540
years people have been describing really

818
00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:39,280
and seeing really very strange bizarre

819
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:41,740
ghost-like activity in this particular

820
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:43,570
house and then all of a sudden people

821
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:45,820
started seeing UFOs around this house

822
00:34:50,970 --> 00:34:48,760
right when they started to kind of redo

823
00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:50,980
it and kind of spruce the place up close

824
00:34:56,339 --> 00:34:52,929
that showing up around this place and

825
00:34:58,500 --> 00:34:56,349
then a little bit later people started

826
00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:58,510
seeing military people in the area and

827
00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:00,670
people were hiking and so on and they'd

828
00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:03,640
run into a couple army MPs who would

829
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:05,140
tell them you can't go this way you got

830
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:07,450
to turn around go back something was

831
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:08,950
going on in the middle of Connecticut

832
00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:13,839
that has this this element of you know

833
00:35:18,020 --> 00:35:16,060
ghostly activity and also UFO activity

834
00:35:20,730 --> 00:35:18,030
and other people have talked to lately

835
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:20,740
now kind of coming to grips maybe with

836
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:22,270
the theory that all of the stuff is

837
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:23,710
connected it's like you know the

838
00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:26,609
universal theory of universal United

839
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:29,830
Universal field theory of the paranormal

840
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,349
UFOs are connected to ghosts ghosts are

841
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,760
connected to Bigfoot Bigfoot is

842
00:35:36,059 --> 00:35:35,680
connected to the Loch Ness so on and so

843
00:35:36,570 --> 00:35:36,069
forth

844
00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:36,580
Krypton

845
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:39,460
yeah if it was all one big thing I think

846
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:41,980
that would be unbelievably fascinating

847
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:44,200
if it was just oh but all these things

848
00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:45,910
are just part of one big thing that we

849
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:47,260
just don't know what it is yet

850
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,570
I think that would be fascinating well

851
00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:51,760
that is especially fascinating I think

852
00:35:57,330 --> 00:35:54,340
decayed and I simply because that area

853
00:35:59,970 --> 00:35:57,340
is within striking distance of yeah of

854
00:36:01,920 --> 00:35:59,980
our location here and not only that what

855
00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:01,930
about the big cats that are seen in

856
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:04,900
Connecticut sometimes do you think that

857
00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:06,610
could be possibly part of all of this

858
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:08,950
sure you know you never know I mean the

859
00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:11,800
cats have been seen spotted in in

860
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:14,920
England for hundreds of years and you

861
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,450
know when people think big cats they

862
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:18,640
think you know oh you know a tiger or a

863
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:20,680
lion is a big cat now these are big cats

864
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:22,390
and these are cats and the size of like

865
00:36:26,730 --> 00:36:24,490
horses and so on and they've been

866
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:26,740
spotted throughout England for centuries

867
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,930
no one can ever find them they can find

868
00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:30,400
their footprints but they never find

869
00:36:32,970 --> 00:36:31,750
these things they never find you know

870
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:32,980
what they're eating or anything like

871
00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:35,170
that they just seem to be there and then

872
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:37,780
they are not there anymore and I know

873
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:38,800
that there was an incident in

874
00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:40,630
Connecticut where your people were

875
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,960
driving along i-95 I think saw some huge

876
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,520
and creatures standing at the side of

877
00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:47,760
the road for first few seconds big cat

878
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:50,380
you know who knows you know but it all

879
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:52,420
doesn't seem to be connected to this

880
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:55,510
idea that we see things sometimes in a

881
00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:57,010
normal world that just shouldn't be

882
00:37:00,450 --> 00:36:58,870
there they don't last very long but they

883
00:37:02,610 --> 00:37:00,460
do happen people to see them more than

884
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:02,620
one person sees them if they're UFOs

885
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:04,510
they picked up on radar or whatever if

886
00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:05,950
they're something else they can be

887
00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:10,600
picked up on camera well you know it's

888
00:37:15,350 --> 00:37:13,180
we I had a very funny incident along

889
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:15,360
that line my son at the time was about

890
00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:18,370
15 I just picked him up from school we

891
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:20,230
were riding home this was out in Long

892
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:23,650
Island in the Riverhead area and we're

893
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:26,800
going back along a road that ran past a

894
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:29,470
number of farms and as we passed one

895
00:37:35,610 --> 00:37:32,680
farm house out of the corner of my eye I

896
00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:35,620
saw a man who was wearing what looked

897
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:38,950
like almost a pilgrim type clothes are

898
00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:41,410
very old clothes and right behind him

899
00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:45,100
was a Native American and not in full

900
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:47,560
regalia but obviously not in western

901
00:37:52,829 --> 00:37:49,930
dress either and it came

902
00:37:55,290 --> 00:37:52,839
went so fast and I said I said that did

903
00:37:57,299 --> 00:37:55,300
you see that and he said yeah what was

904
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:57,309
it at to the point where I turned around

905
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:00,400
and actually drove back and there was no

906
00:38:04,859 --> 00:38:02,920
one there and at that time of day there

907
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:04,869
really is anybody outside that

908
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:07,450
particular farmhouse and we both looked

909
00:38:11,579 --> 00:38:09,730
at each other and you know and I think

910
00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:11,589
you're going to agree with me when you

911
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:13,750
see something out of the ordinary it

912
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,970
leaves an impression on your mind that

913
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:18,160
something sort of out of the ordinary

914
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:21,430
but very readily explainable doesn't

915
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:23,500
leave that same impression like you just

916
00:38:29,099 --> 00:38:26,050
instinctively know you've seen something

917
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:29,109
that's bizarre right and I had the

918
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:31,510
strong feeling that these two men just

919
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:33,970
looped through time and then looped

920
00:38:39,799 --> 00:38:36,910
right back in certainly the settlers

921
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,809
were there several hundred years ago and

922
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,160
you know the two of us just had that

923
00:38:47,339 --> 00:38:44,079
same feeling it was just like that quick

924
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,349
time flip lot of people who've

925
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:49,680
experienced similar things you know

926
00:38:53,819 --> 00:38:52,300
through the years it isn't these things

927
00:38:56,010 --> 00:38:53,829
that we see all the time or the words

928
00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:56,020
that we're talking about now you know

929
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,430
people seem to think that they're just

930
00:39:01,500 --> 00:38:59,680
kind of recent to our history and

931
00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:01,510
they're not people have seen these

932
00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:04,540
things over hundreds and hundreds of

933
00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:07,720
years there was a like in England back

934
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:09,160
of three or four hundred years ago

935
00:39:13,099 --> 00:39:11,530
people used to see and this was always

936
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:13,109
very strange they called them fetch

937
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:16,630
fetches and what it was was you know you

938
00:39:20,849 --> 00:39:19,569
would be in a room with your friend you

939
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:20,859
would look out the window and here comes

940
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:22,510
your friend walking up the pathway

941
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:24,970
mm-hmm you happen to live in schools

942
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:28,150
they would they would they would you

943
00:39:32,309 --> 00:39:29,910
know they have a classroom full of kids

944
00:39:35,579 --> 00:39:32,319
and look out the window and one of them

945
00:39:36,990 --> 00:39:35,589
would be outside playing very strange

946
00:39:38,819 --> 00:39:37,000
you know and it's almost like whoop

947
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:38,829
that's not supposed to be there and as

948
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:40,450
soon as you think that it's gone yeah

949
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,890
yeah huh Wow it wouldn't it be great to

950
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:47,200
be able to actually know what was behind

951
00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:50,770
all this stuff I mean it's just such

952
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:53,140
fast I guess the fact that it is unknown

953
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:55,510
is what makes it so fascinating I can

954
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,400
I think more MORE about this I never saw

955
00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:04,240
the movie The Matrix but someone told me

956
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:06,700
that it's kind of close to it what this

957
00:40:11,819 --> 00:40:08,410
person that was a futurist a

958
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,829
professional futurist gray Scott as his

959
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:14,079
name was down there in the arc and he

960
00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:15,910
writes a lot about the future and so on

961
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:18,520
his idea is that what we are really

962
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:21,190
living in us where look really living in

963
00:40:26,339 --> 00:40:23,230
someone's computer simulations someone's

964
00:40:29,579 --> 00:40:26,349
unbelievably detailed computer

965
00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:29,589
simulation created by someone who is a

966
00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:31,240
higher power way higher power than we

967
00:40:36,299 --> 00:40:34,270
could ever you know imagine and and it's

968
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:36,309
just been going along it's just been

969
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:39,490
going along and but what happens is but

970
00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:41,140
something like that happens where you

971
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:43,390
see something that shouldn't be there or

972
00:40:46,859 --> 00:40:44,380
when you have some kind of an

973
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:46,869
extraordinary coincidence what that is

974
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,150
it's a glitch in the program because no

975
00:40:54,690 --> 00:40:51,760
matter what every computer program has a

976
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:54,700
glitch in it and and you know when you

977
00:40:58,170 --> 00:40:56,410
think about it you say well I mean I've

978
00:41:00,960 --> 00:40:58,180
had coincidences in my life that had

979
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:00,970
just off the charts but you think you

980
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:03,220
saw and look at how many people with

981
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:06,010
coincidences all the time people that

982
00:41:11,609 --> 00:41:09,130
deja vu all the time you know maybe

983
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,619
these are just things that proves that

984
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:14,079
the computer program we're all living in

985
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:18,160
isn't infallible and that's sort of

986
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:19,960
upsetting now I'd rather not be in a

987
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,010
computer program

988
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:24,160
well but it a gentleman that I studied

989
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,190
with who was a former NASA rocket

990
00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:29,440
scientist a physicist and wrote a book

991
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:33,220
called up my big toe comes to the same

992
00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:37,210
conclusion that we're living in a

993
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:39,880
computer it's a binary world out there

994
00:41:45,029 --> 00:41:42,730
and he has some very advanced physics

995
00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:45,039
ways of proving that and he's a

996
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:48,190
wonderful intelligent gentleman and I'm

997
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,230
trying to think of his name okay and I'm

998
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,119
gonna find it before the end of the show

999
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,760
but his book is my big toe and it's it

1000
00:42:02,789 --> 00:42:00,400
really goes into great depth I mean it's

1001
00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:02,799
like one of these tomes it's three books

1002
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:04,900
in one it's that's wonderful Anto

1003
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:06,940
indicating theory of every single theory

1004
00:42:12,299 --> 00:42:10,510
of everything right right well I you

1005
00:42:13,590 --> 00:42:12,309
know there's just so much out there this

1006
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:13,600
is great mac and

1007
00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:14,920
we're just sort of scratching the

1008
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:19,150
surface itself so you had you had some

1009
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:22,810
interesting insights about about what

1010
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:25,800
happened to the poor gentleman down in

1011
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:29,640
New Mexico who was a victim of

1012
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:33,970
government disinformation and who was

1013
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:36,610
actually driven crazy by the by the

1014
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:38,470
government do you want to talk to this

1015
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:40,750
subject a little bit what what turned

1016
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:44,550
out with the Dulce New Mexico that whole

1017
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:48,970
sure this gentleman was a physicist and

1018
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:52,000
he had an office right near Kirtland Air

1019
00:42:59,460 --> 00:42:54,070
Force Base which is in New Mexico then

1020
00:43:04,080 --> 00:42:59,470
we have tonight and what he was a very

1021
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:04,090
smart guy and he noticed on a number of

1022
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:06,040
occasions cuz he was so close to croman

1023
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:08,080
F was babies he noticed two things he

1024
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:09,610
knows strange things flying over the

1025
00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:11,890
base and he also noticed strange radio

1026
00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:14,790
signals developing around the base and

1027
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:17,500
he put his the two and two he put

1028
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:20,910
together was that there were UFOs over

1029
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:23,290
nuclear bunkers that they had at

1030
00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:24,910
Kirtland Air Force Base it was a badly

1031
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:27,100
cut secret that the USAF was stored a

1032
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:29,740
lot of nuclear bombs there so he went to

1033
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:31,450
the Air Force and he people at the base

1034
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:35,670
and he gave them his theory and he said

1035
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,200
and they said to him hey you know what

1036
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,000
you're right and they gave him more

1037
00:43:43,530 --> 00:43:41,680
information they started feeding him

1038
00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:43,540
this story that you know there was

1039
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:45,580
aliens were involved the government was

1040
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:47,560
you know aware of them and that they

1041
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:49,690
were I mean at the very long end of this

1042
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,130
kind of disinformation campaign they

1043
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:53,200
played in the sky he they had him

1044
00:43:58,530 --> 00:43:56,050
convinced that there were 50,000 aliens

1045
00:44:00,090 --> 00:43:58,540
in a in a in a mountain about 90 miles

1046
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:00,100
north of karlby Air Force Base called

1047
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,150
Belcher Mountain and this poor guy went

1048
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:06,900
can say he literally went insane he was

1049
00:44:12,810 --> 00:44:09,430
institutionalized three two or three

1050
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:12,820
times he was you know went up and bought

1051
00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:15,610
a lot of guns he goes very paranoid and

1052
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:17,380
it turned out to be not true of course I

1053
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,330
mean what what he was seeing were the

1054
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:22,480
early examples of stealth fighters in

1055
00:44:28,979 --> 00:44:26,880
the radio waves that he was picking

1056
00:44:32,009 --> 00:44:28,989
breeding frequencies they were there to

1057
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:32,019
jam Russian satellites going over

1058
00:44:37,529 --> 00:44:35,410
Kirtland Air Force Base to to to ensure

1059
00:44:39,089 --> 00:44:37,539
that they didn't you know find evidence

1060
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,099
that nuclear bombs were being kept there

1061
00:44:42,089 --> 00:44:40,960
now they could have easily told this guy

1062
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,099
because he worked for the government at

1063
00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:43,839
some point you know listen this is

1064
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:45,880
what's going on in sign and security and

1065
00:44:51,450 --> 00:44:49,119
you know vow and never speak of it again

1066
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,460
but they chose to go the other way feed

1067
00:44:55,859 --> 00:44:52,960
him all this information throw him

1068
00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:55,869
completely off the off the track make

1069
00:44:59,969 --> 00:44:57,849
him the giggle fact of the poster boys

1070
00:45:03,269 --> 00:44:59,979
would giggle factor back then and it

1071
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,279
wound up killing the guy mmm so somebody

1072
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:05,200
was actually vicious enough to do that

1073
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:07,630
on purpose they said open enough yeah

1074
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,049
yeah it's just a big joke oh this is mr.

1075
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:13,839
Mack Maloney the author of beyond area

1076
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:17,559
51 and one of my favorite UFO books UFOs

1077
00:45:23,729 --> 00:45:21,700
and war time is so what what are your

1078
00:45:27,529 --> 00:45:23,739
opinions about these secret bases you

1079
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,539
think they're out there beyond area 51

1080
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,920
everyone that we mentioned in the book I

1081
00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:31,359
think we mentioned probably about 20 of

1082
00:45:36,029 --> 00:45:33,670
them are definitely out there you know

1083
00:45:39,779 --> 00:45:36,039
there's enough evidence to be found on

1084
00:45:43,049 --> 00:45:39,789
all of them that they do exist that the

1085
00:45:44,579 --> 00:45:43,059
unusual thing about them is that I think

1086
00:45:48,269 --> 00:45:44,589
we talked about eight or nine in the US

1087
00:45:50,839 --> 00:45:48,279
and then the rest our overseas almost

1088
00:45:53,459 --> 00:45:50,849
every single one of these secret bases

1089
00:45:55,049 --> 00:45:53,469
has some kind of a history with UFOs

1090
00:45:57,989 --> 00:45:55,059
that's very strange

1091
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:57,999
I mean we always equate area 51 with

1092
00:46:04,259 --> 00:46:01,680
UFOs and so on but there's a place up in

1093
00:46:06,329 --> 00:46:04,269
there's a place up in the northern part

1094
00:46:10,229 --> 00:46:06,339
of Nevada called Tonopah Air Force Base

1095
00:46:13,499 --> 00:46:10,239
that is so secret that the people who

1096
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:13,509
work there I'm allowed to go into the

1097
00:46:18,959 --> 00:46:15,910
town there's a town nearby Tonopah

1098
00:46:22,349 --> 00:46:18,969
Nevada they're not allowed to mix with

1099
00:46:24,269 --> 00:46:22,359
the locals let's say you can't spend a

1100
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:24,279
credit card in tone of power if you work

1101
00:46:29,099 --> 00:46:26,170
at Thomas I talked about Air Force Base

1102
00:46:30,959 --> 00:46:29,109
this is where they tested the stealth

1103
00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:30,969
fighter for years for ten years without

1104
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:32,680
anyone knowing about it

1105
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:35,529
there were places down in st. Louis

1106
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Valley in southwest Colorado that it's

1107
00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:39,850
in

1108
00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:44,230
by military bases there's so much

1109
00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:46,420
paranormal activity going on there that

1110
00:46:50,670 --> 00:46:49,240
it's hard to keep up with it it's

1111
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:50,680
unbelievable they see everything from

1112
00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:53,260
UFOs to Bigfoot to flying humans and

1113
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:54,820
stuff there's always military planes

1114
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:00,060
around there's the places down in off of

1115
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:04,420
Florida where the US Navy you know test

1116
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:08,800
its captains - - who are taking over new

1117
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:11,650
suits and nuclear submarines see how far

1118
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:13,510
down they can go see how the equipment

1119
00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:15,310
works at a great depth they do it in

1120
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:16,360
this kind of trench in the middle

1121
00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:19,290
atlantic ocean there's been hundreds

1122
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:22,780
many hundreds of UFO reports down around

1123
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:24,910
that place for the past 30 years or so

1124
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:27,700
it's just very interesting that anywhere

1125
00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:30,250
there is one of these secret bases there

1126
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:32,470
there's a UFO history attached to it and

1127
00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:34,450
you always say well what what came first

1128
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:36,700
you know yeah we attract the UFO so do

1129
00:47:40,530 --> 00:47:38,080
we build the base there because UFOs

1130
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:40,540
were there before and that was a does

1131
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:43,000
amazing piece of research we came upon

1132
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:44,170
while we were doing the book I don't

1133
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:45,660
think anyone really realized people

1134
00:47:51,210 --> 00:47:49,180
fascinating really well the best example

1135
00:47:54,570 --> 00:47:51,220
was Rendell 'some everyone thinks that

1136
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:54,580
was you know back in 1980 he was so you

1137
00:47:59,400 --> 00:47:56,590
know the Peter Robbins book left at

1138
00:48:02,130 --> 00:47:59,410
Eastgate but actually that whole forest

1139
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:02,140
area Rendlesham forest was supposedly

1140
00:48:07,770 --> 00:48:05,230
haunted or different UFO activities and

1141
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:07,780
so on many years before that right

1142
00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:12,610
secret nooks there as well yeah it's in

1143
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:17,020
the East Anglia part of the Great

1144
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:20,050
Britain and you just go back into their

1145
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:21,370
history there was there were

1146
00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:23,290
unbelievable UFO sightings there in the

1147
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:25,600
late fifties with the US would scramble

1148
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,230
jets - they would see on their radar

1149
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:30,880
would look like hundreds of Russian

1150
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,760
bombers coming you know towards England

1151
00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:34,960
and they would scramble just saying look

1152
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:36,840
there and there and there were UFOs

1153
00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:39,250
there's something but east anglia that

1154
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,280
you know is a big in England they call

1155
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:44,800
it an old place but meaning it's a place

1156
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:48,100
where just odd things happen Rosslyn and

1157
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:52,120
Scotland you know more UFOs are seen in

1158
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:53,690
that area than any other place of

1159
00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:55,790
and it just happened to be where Rosslyn

1160
00:48:59,470 --> 00:48:57,380
Chapel is that's you know connected to

1161
00:49:00,940 --> 00:48:59,480
the Knights Templar so you know who

1162
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,950
knows that's what I mean if you really

1163
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:03,200
kind of look at it a lot of these places

1164
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:05,240
have UFO histories and a lot of those

1165
00:49:09,340 --> 00:49:07,370
places where they built these bases have

1166
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:09,350
his piece they go back further than the

1167
00:49:13,570 --> 00:49:12,140
base and so I don't know once again if

1168
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:13,580
someone could just connect all these

1169
00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:15,530
died in the lines sometime in our

1170
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:17,480
lifetimes I think it would be a very

1171
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:20,390
very fascinating result well I read Dan

1172
00:49:25,330 --> 00:49:22,820
Brown's book of course the da Vinci Code

1173
00:49:28,210 --> 00:49:25,340
and so I was really captured by it and

1174
00:49:30,970 --> 00:49:28,220
did go to Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland and

1175
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:30,980
the it is probably one of the oddest

1176
00:49:36,730 --> 00:49:34,400
religious institutions or buildings I've

1177
00:49:38,650 --> 00:49:36,740
ever been in but aside from that it's

1178
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:38,660
way in the middle of nowhere is a very

1179
00:49:44,350 --> 00:49:41,420
small building and the walls are covered

1180
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:44,360
with visiting dignitaries and what would

1181
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:46,610
cause so many people to visit this

1182
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,670
little tiny out-of-the-way place I mean

1183
00:49:53,230 --> 00:49:51,440
something had to have drawn them all

1184
00:49:55,630 --> 00:49:53,240
there and these are all various heads of

1185
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:55,640
states and their pictures and the dates

1186
00:50:00,430 --> 00:49:57,770
that they were there on the wall so I

1187
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:00,440
think at a higher governmental level

1188
00:50:05,740 --> 00:50:02,330
some of the people are aware of this and

1189
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:05,750
actually pay homage to these whatever

1190
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:08,180
they are all we're going in to build the

1191
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:12,170
bird character well you know there's

1192
00:50:19,420 --> 00:50:17,660
still the burgers build-a-bear but it's

1193
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:19,430
true I mean there is definitely some

1194
00:50:24,340 --> 00:50:22,190
sort of Wow to me a conspiracy is rich

1195
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:24,350
powerful people getting together to stay

1196
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:25,910
more rich or more power yeah well

1197
00:50:29,050 --> 00:50:27,170
there's a lot of that going on and

1198
00:50:31,060 --> 00:50:29,060
that's happened throughout history and

1199
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:31,070
it will happen as long as there's humans

1200
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:32,990
I mean that's just a part of a human

1201
00:50:37,810 --> 00:50:36,050
civilization somebody's gonna rise up

1202
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:37,820
get money in power and they're gonna try

1203
00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:40,610
to keep it and that's that's our history

1204
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:44,020
the thing about your idea of it being

1205
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:46,670
somebody coming through history a time

1206
00:50:53,590 --> 00:50:50,990
traveller it's very it's very optimistic

1207
00:50:55,870 --> 00:50:53,600
view as far as I can see because we seem

1208
00:50:57,700 --> 00:50:55,880
to be making such a mess of things it's

1209
00:51:00,310 --> 00:50:57,710
encouraging to think that somebody might

1210
00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:00,320
be going back in time 200 years from now

1211
00:51:05,710 --> 00:51:03,260
when frankly you know my own view of

1212
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:05,720
things somewhat says gee I wonder if

1213
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,510
there will be any humans then

1214
00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:09,760
right I mean one of the people I talked

1215
00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:11,620
to when I was doing this second book

1216
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:14,020
beyond the area 51 this young guy who

1217
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:15,430
just happened to be a neighbor of mine

1218
00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:18,190
he was a physicist who is a veteran of

1219
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:20,020
World War two is some really hard

1220
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:21,490
fighting World War two and he says he

1221
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:23,650
saw so much death and destruction that

1222
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:25,330
when he came out of the service he

1223
00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:27,370
became a minister and then he became a

1224
00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:29,350
physicist and when he read the book he

1225
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,240
said yogi he said the exact same thing

1226
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:33,040
he says you have a very optimistic point

1227
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:34,390
of view because if they're from the

1228
00:51:38,250 --> 00:51:36,840
future that means we have a future yeah

1229
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:38,260
exactly

1230
00:51:43,590 --> 00:51:40,930
speaking of the future maybe you could

1231
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:43,600
tell us what's on the burner now mr.

1232
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:48,730
Mack Maloney yeah no you know no more

1233
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:51,430
you were folks coming out and I do my

1234
00:51:55,940 --> 00:51:53,170
own I don't want to sound like I'm the

1235
00:51:58,770 --> 00:51:55,950
competition but I do my own radio show

1236
00:52:01,170 --> 00:51:58,780
indicated on the Military Appreciation

1237
00:52:03,210 --> 00:52:01,180
Channel and I'm forces radio network

1238
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,220
next year I've called the back morning

1239
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:05,680
military x-files show but listen to Kate

1240
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:08,290
show first and at night show second well

1241
00:52:13,350 --> 00:52:11,230
you know the way that I look at this you

1242
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:13,360
know having working with Kate now on

1243
00:52:19,110 --> 00:52:15,310
shattered reality which is our program

1244
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:19,120
that you're on right now is that by so

1245
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:21,430
many people using the Internet to

1246
00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:25,470
disperse information if you are a

1247
00:52:31,470 --> 00:52:28,120
educated listener and you know can throw

1248
00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:31,480
out some of the dross there it gives an

1249
00:52:36,450 --> 00:52:34,390
opportunity for the average person to be

1250
00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:36,460
heard the average person with an opinion

1251
00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:40,060
of some sort and perhaps to disseminate

1252
00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:43,180
information that the mass media does not

1253
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,900
wish to disseminate for a reason only

1254
00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:48,640
known to themselves I mean I'm not

1255
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:50,790
saying it's all a conspiracy but

1256
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:53,650
certainly the internet gives us this

1257
00:53:01,170 --> 00:52:59,440
option well I think that you know well

1258
00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:01,180
the end of one of the books we asked

1259
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:06,220
five of the leading UFO authors what

1260
00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:08,050
they thought the UFO puzzle would be so

1261
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:09,670
and it's funny because they all said it

1262
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:12,730
in about 30 or 40 years they think that

1263
00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:14,890
it will be at that point especially

1264
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:17,260
Jerry Clark who I look at it as a very

1265
00:53:22,789 --> 00:53:19,079
respected partner

1266
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:22,799
absolutely he said that he thinks up in

1267
00:53:29,959 --> 00:53:27,930
that time 2040 2050 that the stigma of

1268
00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:29,969
certain miracles will be gone for

1269
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:32,670
scientists and as you're saying before

1270
00:53:36,739 --> 00:53:34,170
you know try to get a grant for that

1271
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,749
well maybe it won't be that hot in you

1272
00:53:40,579 --> 00:53:38,640
know three or four decades to get a

1273
00:53:43,729 --> 00:53:40,589
grant to study UFOs to figure out what

1274
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:43,739
they do who they are you know everything

1275
00:53:47,449 --> 00:53:45,209
we could possibly learn about them take

1276
00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:47,459
the stigma away from that and then maybe

1277
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,900
you will just get to that one little

1278
00:53:52,489 --> 00:53:50,400
kernel of truth that is going to reveal

1279
00:53:54,709 --> 00:53:52,499
the whole thing the downside of that is

1280
00:53:56,839 --> 00:53:54,719
that it probably isn't going to be an

1281
00:53:57,949 --> 00:53:56,849
American scientist who does that there's

1282
00:54:00,019 --> 00:53:57,959
a better chance it's going to be a

1283
00:54:02,749 --> 00:54:00,029
Chinese scientist thought and Indian

1284
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,759
scientist the intensity going forward in

1285
00:54:06,049 --> 00:54:04,140
their scientific programs and we're

1286
00:54:07,849 --> 00:54:06,059
going backwards it's too bad but that's

1287
00:54:09,019 --> 00:54:07,859
just that's just the fact that now

1288
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:09,029
unless something turns around very

1289
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:11,369
quickly you know the puzzle of UFOs

1290
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:13,049
might not be solved by Americans it

1291
00:54:17,749 --> 00:54:14,609
might be so play something on someone in

1292
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:17,759
Asia well they say that science moves

1293
00:54:25,339 --> 00:54:21,900
ahead one funeral at a time so I wonder

1294
00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:25,349
if this could be part of the the

1295
00:54:31,999 --> 00:54:28,140
prediction some of the people who have

1296
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:32,009
tried to stigmatize the study will then

1297
00:54:37,989 --> 00:54:35,339
be passed out of existence and a lot of

1298
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:37,999
the stigma is gone because of today's

1299
00:54:43,989 --> 00:54:41,849
all these various Xbox and games that

1300
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:43,999
the children play all involve

1301
00:54:47,509 --> 00:54:45,900
extraterrestrials for them the idea of

1302
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:47,519
an extraterrestrial is sort of

1303
00:54:52,729 --> 00:54:49,619
commonplace it they don't even think

1304
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:52,739
twice about it I was fortunate enough to

1305
00:55:00,739 --> 00:54:56,900
be at a speech given by Edgar Mitchell

1306
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:00,749
the former astronaut and the PhD from

1307
00:55:07,939 --> 00:55:05,369
MIT when he gave a speech to many of the

1308
00:55:09,949 --> 00:55:07,949
students from the Aeronautics High

1309
00:55:12,469 --> 00:55:09,959
School in Long Island City the New York

1310
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:12,479
City I'm not quite getting the name of

1311
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:13,680
the high school correct but it was I

1312
00:55:17,299 --> 00:55:14,640
think it's the high school of

1313
00:55:19,189 --> 00:55:17,309
Aeronautics but these were people young

1314
00:55:21,769 --> 00:55:19,199
men and women who were planning to

1315
00:55:25,969 --> 00:55:21,779
become pilots and maybe go in the Air

1316
00:55:29,959 --> 00:55:25,979
Force or a pursue career in aeronautics

1317
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:29,969
and he spoke to them with that you know

1318
00:55:35,860 --> 00:55:32,820
no uncertain terms that part of their

1319
00:55:39,610 --> 00:55:35,870
future would have to be dealing with

1320
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:39,620
extraterrestrial life or intelligence so

1321
00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:41,460
we'll see what happens

1322
00:55:46,850 --> 00:55:44,550
I mean free thinking people I mean the

1323
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:46,860
world is becoming more populated with

1324
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:48,180
free thinking people there's no doubt

1325
00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:50,040
about it the generations going to be

1326
00:55:54,110 --> 00:55:51,870
coming after this run and after the next

1327
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:54,120
you know has had so much information at

1328
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:55,770
their fingertips stuff that you know I

1329
00:55:59,570 --> 00:55:57,540
know when I was growing up we couldn't

1330
00:56:01,550 --> 00:55:59,580
even imagine you know now you're just

1331
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:01,560
snap your fingers push a button and it's

1332
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:03,720
there and I think that that gives people

1333
00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:06,300
the opportunity to kind of you know take

1334
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:10,800
in ideas that maybe not you know be so I

1335
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:12,990
don't know normal let's say you know

1336
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:14,520
maybe they think there's people the idea

1337
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:16,470
is that let's go out look at these

1338
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:17,670
strange things they've always been

1339
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:19,710
around no one's ever really looked at

1340
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:21,390
them in a scientific way why don't we do

1341
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it

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00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:26,790
Clark was probably right 30 to 40 years

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:27,240
from now

1344
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:31,770
someplace in Beijing Bombay some will

1345
00:56:38,570 --> 00:56:36,810
kind of break the puzzle at 19 for our

1346
00:56:49,610 --> 00:56:38,580
2040 it's going to be a little late for

1347
00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:49,620
me so let's hope it's before then but

1348
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:52,920
well I don't know I do suspect it's the

1349
00:56:57,980 --> 00:56:55,680
world you know everyone says oh this new

1350
00:56:59,240 --> 00:56:57,990
world order is such a horrible thing and

1351
00:57:01,760 --> 00:56:59,250
you know we're all going to be under

1352
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:01,770
this system Universal dictator but I

1353
00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:04,800
think actually the computers is going to

1354
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:07,080
be the ruler of the new world order and

1355
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:09,150
the people are just going to be people

1356
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:13,500
and I I don't think it's you know

1357
00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:15,240
obviously it could be a horrendous thing

1358
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:19,800
you could also be a very good thing like

1359
00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:21,180
everything else in history it's going to

1360
00:57:28,940 --> 00:57:27,120
be a little bit of both no okay yeah but

1361
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:28,950
I think it's almost unavoidable at this

1362
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:31,800
point I think national boundaries are

1363
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,140
starting to just fall apart the famous

1364
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:36,780
physicist Stephen Hawking just recently

1365
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:39,900
came out with a he felt that the

1366
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:42,740
artificial intelligence might kind of

1367
00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:45,270
take us down the wrong path and become

1368
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:46,350
our masters

1369
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:49,110
did warn of that recently not that you

1370
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:50,520
know I mean he's a brilliant man but not

1371
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:53,400
that I take his word you know beyond

1372
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:54,930
anything else but it's certainly when

1373
00:58:00,020 --> 00:57:57,720
somebody of that acumen comes to say

1374
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:00,030
something you kind of pay attention and

1375
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:03,150
by the way my friend and teacher from

1376
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:06,180
the past is mr. Tom Campbell who wrote

1377
00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:08,700
my big toe so I want to be on wrong with

1378
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:10,800
saying that he I hope he'll be our guest

1379
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:13,530
someday too well you know certainly

1380
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:15,690
kurtzweil agrees with you he wrote the

1381
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:19,290
the coming singularity and to him it's

1382
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:22,050
just a given that eventually we will not

1383
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:25,260
we but the ruling class on this planet

1384
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:27,450
will be silicon based not carbon-based

1385
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:30,540
and maybe they're the ones that are the

1386
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:33,720
travelers from the future maybe they

1387
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:35,700
wanted to know how they evolve damn

1388
00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:39,450
where they came from and you know if you

1389
00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:41,340
have enough intelligence I think

1390
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:43,980
eventually you develop curiosity and

1391
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:46,380
that may be the way they're expressing

1392
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:49,740
it it could be and there's a lot more

1393
00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:52,170
intelligent people on the earth right

1394
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:54,840
now than there were 20 years ago because

1395
00:58:59,870 --> 00:58:57,540
what we can get on our internet somebody

1396
00:59:02,300 --> 00:58:59,880
in the middle of Ghana can get on their

1397
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,310
internet too you know and it's

1398
00:59:06,110 --> 00:59:04,200
everywhere you can just pull out pull

1399
00:59:07,310 --> 00:59:06,120
down anything you want and that's just

1400
00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:07,320
going to lead to a lot of people with a

1401
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:09,480
lot of great ideas forward-thinking

1402
00:59:14,140 --> 00:59:11,460
hopefully more fluid thinking people

1403
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:14,150
then you know politicians or whatever

1404
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:17,370
it's going to be interesting you know

1405
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:19,410
maybe we can be time-travel someday and

1406
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:22,650
come back and see you know our our

1407
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:26,010
descendants will be well I think on that

1408
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:29,430
happy and hopeful and optimistic note at

1409
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:31,530
this time of the year I don't know when

1410
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:33,090
this recording will come out but right

1411
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:35,490
now we're enjoying the whole holiday

1412
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:38,850
season here and I would I would

1413
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:40,950
certainly like to thank you so much for

1414
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:42,750
speaking with you again it's always a

1415
00:59:47,330 --> 00:59:45,480
pleasure yes I would like to thank you

1416
00:59:50,090 --> 00:59:47,340
too and if you want to tell us your

1417
00:59:54,110 --> 00:59:50,100
website if you want to put that out if

1418
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,120
for our listeners mm-hmm please do Mack

1419
00:59:59,360 --> 00:59:57,440
Maloney comm and that brings you to

1420
01:00:02,000 --> 00:59:59,370
everything else

1421
01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:02,010
terrific wonderful thanks again have a

1422
01:00:05,570 --> 01:00:03,350
great season

1423
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:05,580
thanks very much to have me on I really

1424
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:07,260
appreciate it always a pleasure take

1425
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:10,920
care bye bye bye you'll agree with me

1426
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:13,530
that Mac Bologna is one of our more

1427
01:00:17,930 --> 01:00:16,110
interesting or I guess all of our

1428
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:17,940
speakers are interesting but he has such

1429
01:00:24,310 --> 01:00:20,610
a diverse and wide wealth of knowledge

1430
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:24,320
and just just he seems to be very

1431
01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:26,760
versatile and almost all the fields of

1432
01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:31,830
ufology yes but uh our next guest coming

1433
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,100
up in the first part of January is a lot

1434
01:00:41,810 --> 01:00:38,400
more specific it is mr. Robert Schroeder

1435
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:41,820
and he will talk about solving the UFO

1436
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:44,760
enigma Bob Schroeder is interesting and

1437
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:46,980
that he is not a physicist but physics

1438
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:50,130
is his hobby which is a little bit

1439
01:00:58,580 --> 01:00:55,110
different and he has an absolute I think

1440
01:01:01,310 --> 01:00:58,590
proof of how UFOs work and he calls his

1441
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:01,320
proof the bulk the bulk was also

1442
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:02,970
mentioned in that recent movie

1443
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:05,730
interstellar so I'm looking forward very

1444
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:07,980
much to speaking to Bob Schroeder again

1445
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:11,040
well I'm looking forward to this new

1446
01:01:19,070 --> 01:01:15,510
adventure too in 2015 now I want to

1447
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:19,080
speak to our listeners and tell them

1448
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:21,780
that your feedback is extremely

1449
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:24,750
important to us so we would like to hear

1450
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:27,540
from you and we'd also like to hear

1451
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:30,090
about your experiences and to that end

1452
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:33,570
we have two places for you to go the

1453
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:37,200
first place is our actual webpage which

1454
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:40,290
is and this is going to be the Internet

1455
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:45,650
address shattered reality podcast dot

1456
01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:49,290
wordpress.com that's no spaces in there

1457
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,120
shattered reality podcast dot

1458
01:01:59,180 --> 01:01:56,400
wordpress.com and that's the hub of our

1459
01:02:02,120 --> 01:01:59,190
show where you can listen to previous

1460
01:02:05,810 --> 01:02:02,130
episodes and hopefully future episodes

1461
01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:05,820
but it's also a place where you can have

1462
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,140
a comment or you can write down your

1463
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:12,640
experience and we really

1464
01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:15,369
hear from you and for you to share share

1465
01:02:20,490 --> 01:02:17,380
things with us of that nature the other

1466
01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:20,500
place that we'd like you to go to is our

1467
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:23,500
Facebook page where you can get to on

1468
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:27,039
Facebook simply by typing in the words

1469
01:02:33,779 --> 01:02:31,410
shattered reality into the search bar in

1470
01:02:36,690 --> 01:02:33,789
Facebook and then you're going to come

1471
01:02:38,849 --> 01:02:36,700
up with several different pages one of

1472
01:02:43,140 --> 01:02:38,859
which is going to indicate that it is a

1473
01:02:47,009 --> 01:02:43,150
radio station in fact it is us strangely

1474
01:02:50,009 --> 01:02:47,019
enough Facebook which is you know of a

1475
01:02:53,009 --> 01:02:50,019
social media site of the 21st century

1476
01:02:55,170 --> 01:02:53,019
they're still back in the 20th century

1477
01:02:58,500 --> 01:02:55,180
instead of the 21st because they have no

1478
01:03:03,420 --> 01:02:58,510
designation for a podcast so I was

1479
01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:03,430
forced to designate our page as a radio

1480
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:05,380
station the other the others shattered

1481
01:03:09,539 --> 01:03:07,930
realities are bands a couple of bands

1482
01:03:12,359 --> 01:03:09,549
have that name out there and it's a good

1483
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:12,369
name we chose it so please look for us

1484
01:03:19,849 --> 01:03:15,640
on WordPress WordPress shattered reality

1485
01:03:23,730 --> 01:03:19,859
podcast wordpress.com and also on

1486
01:03:28,279 --> 01:03:23,740
facebook shattered reality radio station

1487
01:03:31,740 --> 01:03:28,289
and i also ask you to please like our

1488
01:03:33,870 --> 01:03:31,750
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